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Starforce Admin are up to their usual antics yet again. We are not even 2 weeks down from when they posted warez links to Stardocks Galactic Civilizations II.
Now they have resorted to, posting libelous comments claiming my research into partitioned primary SATA/SCSI drives and how Starforce spreads accross all partitions as well as any networks drive with read/write capability.
Updated 13:58Hrs GMT 24th March 2006
'Sage386 now directly calls me a liar'
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What I did not State in my posts there
I even found the SF drivers on the root of my iMac (which happened to be set up with read/write Authority on the Network), obviously this was not a problem on that Hardware and was easy to delete, but that does not retract from the fact the SF does carry out multidropper type techniques to try and stop it from being deleted.
The main issue was the way in which, SF blue screens XP on this type of SATA setup and generates a non plug and play driver error.
It will not let you into safe mode, to remove SF.
If you use a live Linux Distro to remove all instances of SF on all the partitions, format the primary partition and try to install XP again.
SF attacks the low level access of the OS (from hidden instances of the drivers on the other partitions) install and prevents it from completing.
The only way to get around this is to clean the partitions, create the partitions again and format them. Then you can install XP with no problems.
Sage 386(Starforce Admin) response to this factual post.
Under the title of a locked thread called Best Nonsense Posts and links.
Comment from Sage386 (Starforce Admin)
"What are you talking about??
SF in a MBR?? Spread across every partition and shared network drive?? What a nonsense!
You mister are talking tales.
I understand your attitude to SF, but talking pure LIES???
What kind of person you are?
Or, rather should i ask how much you get paid for those posts?"
Further Comment from Sage 386 (Starforce Admin)
Since i'm one of the core developers, I DO know technical parts.
What 13thHouR has wrote is a pure fiction.
I have posted there asking them to delete the libelous comments, however their response is to delete my further posts and lock the original thread to prevent anybody else challenging what they have said.
So I will be contacting there press office and issueing notice of pending legal action should they not remove those comments. Updated 11:52 GMT 24th March 2006 I have sent this via pm to Sage386 and posted it on the Starforce forums:
I know you think that your little closed thread is funny and in a less legally intensive scenario I would probably agree.
http://www.star-force.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=796
However in the real world what you have posted there is libelous, you cannot acuse somebody of writing fiction or being paid to do so without evidence to back it up.
Thus I am politely requesting that is removed from Starforce, obviously if you are not willing to comply then I will be refering said matter to our legal team in view of prosecution.
This article is just an example of the first step: http://r-force.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=44&mode=&order=0&thold=0 is now being picked up by various news agencies and also read by various chief executives within Publishers that you currently/In future would count as customers.
Given the recent bad press, Security Technologies could do without another Galciv II type incident.
The data mentioned in my post was obtained by running standard and also thorough bench tests on several systems. Before I even start I think both you and I know that the SATA/SCSI primary drive incompatibility with SF is well documented. Its just the nature of using a Virtual IDE emulation.
SATA/SCSI and IDE are not compliant with each other protocols at the best of times, but when you add an emulation which is not 100% compliant with the IDE subsystem, it does not take a genius to realise that this will have errattic side effects to system stability. FOr one thing SF struggles to isolate which is the primary partition on a SATA/SCSI system. Also if network drive have full read/write permission it will install its drivers there as well (Basically becasue of this not being able to isolate where its supposed to be).
At no time did I ever state that this reaction to the conflicts was an intentional issue created by Security Technologies, thus I am extremely concerned that rather than addressing the issue you chose to present the challenge to the finding in such a libelous manner. I am quite sure the authorities will carry a similar view point on this since I am a reputable tech Engineer/Developer with over 25 years in the business under my belt.
I would prefer to report to our 2.2 Million readers on NGH and R-Force.org that the libelous content has been removed from the Starforce forums and an apology has been issued by yourselves.
Regards
William Taggart II AdDip.Prof.Con.Phys.
(AKA) 13thHouR
Owner/Director
Ideas Unlimited (tm) Thurlby Computers.
Webmaster.
www.r-force.org
www.n-gage-help.com
We now await their response on this matter....
Update: 13:58 Hrs GMT, 24th March 2006
Sage386's response to the previous posted request.
Hello!
1. You're telling that SF resides and loads from MBR
2. You're telling that SF occupies HDD partition tables
3. You're telling that SF spreads through network drives.
You're lying!
IF you publish an appology on our forums for being a liar, we may continue converstaiton.
My subsequent response: The last warning before this becomes official.
Excuse me I have explained to you the exact process that causes
this, up to now I have been presenting this as an unintentional
reaction caused by conflicts between the IDE subsystem and SATA/SCSI
primary drives with multiple partitions on a number of setups. I am now
beginning to question that assumption of non malicious intent given the
response I have received.
Is this how Security Technologies treats all such reports?
Tell me what do you think happens when the SF Virtual IDE Protection drivers are unable to isolate which is the primary drive?
Where do you think they install?
Given that SATA/SCSI drives do not report themselves to the OS in the
same manner as IDE. Your time would be better spent isolating this
issue rather than calling peeps liars for giving feedback reports on
conflicts that are occurring.
I will give you one more chance to apologise and remove the offending
posts from that thread which violate both my intellectual Copyrights as
well as the Copyrights of NGH and r-force.org. In case you are not
aware of online legislation. I can make such a request at any point in
time when my Copyrighted material is being used in contradiction to my
authorised use.
I had hoped that this issue could have been resolved in a more amicable
manner however its becoming very obvious that litigation is going to be
the only path.
I am now issuing a formal notice of Unauthorized use of Copyright material on the Starforce Forums.
In case you are not aware, this is as serious of an issue as the
previous posting of the Galciv II P2P link. I suggest you have a word
with the CEO of Security Technologies or their legal Team before
responding, as your responses will be presented in evidence should
Security Technologies choose not to comply with International Online
legislation.
Once again we now await their response on this matter....
Starforce Logo (R) trade Mark of Security Technologies www.star-force.com
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 1)
by Soulcommander on Wednesday, March 22 @ 18:01:59 EST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Starforce tactics have not changed from my dealings with them last year.
I reported to Ubisoft how they lock threads and delete posts in a manner to not alow someone with a fact or problem to air their concerns on their forums.
So what they did here is nothing more but to try to discredit somebody in the manner they have operated in since becoming a so called business.
The type of business practice they operate would not last long any where else. But in Russia they tend to have different ideas about what is fair and honorable.
Although I can't speak about every Russian business practice, if these are the brightest and most honorable Russia has to offer, then they might as well just stayed a communist country because dealing with the rest of the world is not part of what they do very well.
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 1)
by Gorkk on Wednesday, March 22 @ 19:59:26 EST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Well, when I read this, I only think to a quote from a terrific French movie, "Les Tontons Flingueurs":
[quote]Les cons ça ose tout, c'est même à ça qu'on les reconnait[/quote]
Rougly translated it gives "Idiots dare everything, that's even the way you recognize them".
I always think StarForce can go further down, and everytime they prove me wrong :p
I had read previously a post of you concerning this issue (SF spreading on other partitions). I think it may be time to further publicize on this issue, and show proof all those naysayers could not deny:
- reproduce the experiment while recording with a digital camera (first clearly showing SF not beeing on any partition nor on the iMac, installing SF, and then show SF on other partitions and on the iMac).
- write a detailed article on this.
That way, all boycott supporters could relay easily the information with solid proof, and it would be one more boomerang coming back in SF's face ;)
Once again, gratz and thanks 13th.
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 1)
by Unc on Friday, March 24 @ 11:27:47 EST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Well, considering that SF have lied again and again about what their "software" (I should really be calling it a worm if it travels over a LAN though) and repeatedly been proven wrong about what they claim I think 13th Hour has the exact right to post his findings and I think theres no doubt that SF are doing this what with the reset and DPM thing.
On the topic at hand im simply APPALLED at SF over this, they should simply be closed down as they are nothing more than a spyware/malware/virus/worm making company at BEST. I hope people will finally see that Starforce is nothing more than a redundant copy protection that is grasping at every chance to install itself against the users wishes. |
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 1)
by ibyellow on Friday, March 24 @ 13:26:06 EST
(User Info | Send a Message) | My word, Your giving them relevent technical infomation on something that could cause them huge legal problems in the near future, i could imagine that even ubi could sue them for not sticking to a contract. I mean its sposed to stop/cutdown piracy not invade people systems. I cant imagine even Ubi asking for anything outside that.
Looks like 13th has givin them just enough rope to hang them selves, they had loads of chances. |
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 1)
by Unc on Friday, March 24 @ 15:35:29 EST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Wow someone posted this on DIGG and its caused quite a stir. Hi to all DIGG people! :) glad you dropped by and hope you find the article 13th Hour wrote useful! |
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 1)
by midfingr on Friday, March 24 @ 16:24:50 EST
(User Info | Send a Message) | | They say that the guilty don't know when to shut up. This is proving to be the case with Starforce. The DNA evidence is everywhere. |
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, March 24 @ 17:48:13 EST | No offense, but if your writing was a little more literate and your ideas were more clearly represented, you might be treated with more respect.
My two cents.
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, March 24 @ 19:04:17 EST | Wow, this site is getting a lot of diggs.
Starforce...Um what more can I say about it, other than I would rather eat shit than install a game using it.
I find it kind of funny that they just keep chalking peoples problems up to nonsense or "coincidence". They think their software (well, MALWARE) is great; but how can it be with soo many people complaining about it...
C'mon starforce, your "protection" SUCKS as well as ruining any computer it's installed on.
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, March 25 @ 03:49:29 EST | | Remember the SF challenge? Ship your SF crippled PC to them (at your expense), if they find your hardware was damaged by SF you win $1000. Yay!
I'd like issue a similar challenge. If SF ship me one of their test machines (with a virgin updated Win XP install) and I can't mangle it with their own software, I'll pay them $10000. My stipulations are that the PC has to have legitimately purchased and functional CDDVDISO writing software installed on it , and that this software remains fully functional upon installation of the most recently released SF protected game. Further the PC must be restorable to its original state (with regards to software and drivers) via Add/Remove programs located in the Control Panel.
I await the delivery of the PC with anticipation. |
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Starforce in MRB ? :o (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, March 25 @ 07:33:15 EST | Hi,
I'm very interested in this topic and I know, that SF is a very-very nasty thing, but after all, I find it hard to belive, that SF can or even could install itself back during a new Win XP setup, after a full format... I'm a little confused on this, so if you could clarify a few thing around this, that would be a great help for this cause :)
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Saturday, March 25 @ 09:54:35 EST | You're right, but did you have to go down the baseless legal threats route? Its just so... internet.
If you want something done about the situation; use what you have - info they probably don't want widely known.
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- E-Outrage by Anonymous on Monday, March 27 @ 17:36:03 EST
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good luck proving your case (Score: 1)
by GodJr on Tuesday, March 28 @ 13:01:15 EST
(User Info | Send a Message) | Yeah, yeah. Starforce sucks. It's the devil. We all know that. Blah, blah, blah. You're not telling us anything we don't already know.
You know what? Don't buy the games that use SF tech. Vote with your dollars. It's that easy. Really. It is. "Oh, but that's harder than it sounds. I really want to play that hot new game(s)." It's not crack, kids. It's just a game. I love games, and I've already refrained from purchasing products that use SF. Now if everyone would do the same, we will not have to see all these whiney posts about how much SF sucks becuase consumer dollars (or lack there of) are important to game publishers and if they stop selling certain games because they contain 'malicious' code/content, you can bet they will stand up and listen.
Yeah, and good luck with your case. I see no proof in this entry that does anything to damage your reputation. But go ahead and spend the money for the case, and contribute to the overly litigious society we've become. Tax payer dollars at work.
"Wah! Wah! He called me a liar. Poo on him!"
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Re: Starforce Admin; Not happy with posting warez, now they resort to libel. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, April 06 @ 00:34:39 EDT | What is great about this article for me is Sage386. I run a zone in a game called Subspace which was one of the first ever MMOGs. Back in the day Sage386 made a cheat program named Twister that devested our community for many, many months.
It seems fitting that he end up developing one of the most disruptive forms of DRM ever concieved.
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